Internal pumps

[Bay City Reefer]

Would love some advice on what kind of internal pumps you guys have had success with, i have always used an external pump. However was thinking about using an internal on my new 150 gallon tank, the ump will be in a refugium. Have heard from a couple people that the Water Blasters are very quiet and efficient?

[Hooked]

water blaster 10000 rocks super quiet

[mf2055]

I have never heard or seen anything about a water blaster... lol... must have my head in the sand, but I have had two rio 2100+ pumps for over 10 years both running the whole time trouble free.

[on the spot]

Water/bubble blasters are quiet and cheap to run. Overpriced though. Most "modern" water pumps will be quiet. The cost to operate difference isn't enough of an offset to pay back the difference, mathematically speaking. There are a few here that have debated the math, giving more weight to the KWH consumed over the total cost to operate. They are wrong, , but entitled to be so.

[lakeviewink]

+1 on the Rio. The Hyper Flo's are awesome pumps

[iyachtuxivm]

Waterblaster pumps are junk. I have two a 10000 and a 7000. Both worked well for about 8 months to a year then started to quit. They have a three year warranty but try getting them to honor it, not gonna happen. Jeremy at coralview customer service is a joke and that is who you will have to deal with. I have to shut the 7000 off for about 2-3 hours once a month when it stops producing flow then it works good for about a month and it starts over. The 10000 would work well in a tide pool tank lol . During operation it ebbs like the flow is adjustable or something. Wish i had done more research instead of wasting $500+ on those two pumps.
Try sicce pumps they look great!

[on the spot]

Originally Posted by iyachtuxivm

Waterblaster pumps are junk. I have two a 10000 and a 7000. Both worked well for about 8 months to a year then started to quit. They have a three year warranty but try getting them to honor it, not gonna happen. Jeremy at coralview customer service is a joke and that is who you will have to deal with. I have to shut the 7000 off for about 2-3 hours once a month when it stops producing flow then it works good for about a month and it starts over. The 10000 would work well in a tide pool tank lol . During operation it ebbs like the flow is adjustable or something. Wish i had done more research instead of wasting $500+ on those two pumps.

Bummer. That's the very first negative review I've read on those pumps. I'm also surprised you haven't been satisfied with Jeremy. I think I'll go visit the vendor forum to see what else may be lurking.

***added value edit***

Have you taken this to the RC forum? At this moment both Chris and Jeremy are online, and I've taken some liberty to forward this thread to their attention.

HTH

[iyachtuxivm]

Originally Posted by on the spot

Bummer. That's the very first negative review I've read on those pumps. I'm also surprised you haven't been satisfied with Jeremy. I think I'll go visit the vendor forum to see what else may be lurking.

***added value edit***

Have you taken this to the RC forum? At this moment both Chris and Jeremy are online, and I've taken some liberty to forward this thread to their attention.

HTH

No I havent because after multiple emails to Jeremy the only thing that got accomplished was Jeremy changing the flow charts for the water blaster series of pumps on the web site to suit the flows he was stating. So any and all things I have tried were met with an aire of "you dont know what you are talking about" or "its the application you are using this pump for". Not even a well let me test it for you. Ill tell you it worked great for 6 months and he said it can take that long to "break in". Yeah whatever! i tried calling and talking to someone else but stupidly I mentioned his name during the call and they said " oh you have been in touch with Jeremy, well that settles that then." ( ie No help for you! Good day sir. I said Good Day Sir!)

[iyachtuxivm]

So here are the last couple Emails.
1st A reply to him after he stated the charts are wrong.


Ok so if those are the flow rates that are accurate then what are the ones on the web site?

( I copied the charts before he changed them)
I attached the files. Those indicate that at 1.6 meters of head I should have about 7500L/H which 1.6m= 5.24Feet and 7500L/H= 1981gph exactly the sweet spot for the skimmer. Now in all reality I am at 47" from pump to skimmer inlet so less then the 5.24 feet by alot. Skimmer manufacture says no way the beckett uses that much head pressure and that after 6 months of flawless operation why would it all of the sudden just adjust to some thing else.
Jamie


Just got off the phone with Steve (manufacture)
We estimated total head loss of about 7 feet which still put out a different number then below. So 2.16 m at about 6800l/h or 1790gph off the websites chart. Steve rates these at 1600-1900gph and usually uses a mag 18 or 24. 24 are a little to much and need a dump off before going in or you get really wet skim at least with my minimal head pressure. By the way he is replacing the skimmer just in case of some other unforseen issue but like I said we hookd up a mag 24 to it and it worked great. Sorry for all the issues but I really need a good working skimmer and this is really frustrating me especially with the addition of these new charts that dont match what the website says.I really wouldnt have spent $600+ on these two pumps if there wasnt some sort of research done before hand. If the data I recieved from your website is incorrect how do I make informed decsisions?
Thanks
( there were charts involved)(also no where on the charts did it state 240v as he states below)
Reply from Jeremy
The flow charts that where on our website where of the 240v which is what was originally sent to us by the manufacturer. The raw data I sent you was what I just received over the weekend from their 120v testing. I have since been able to plug in the data and get revised flow charts on the website. The data states that at 7.5ft you would expect 1271gph from the WB 10000 as the mag drive states that at 9ft you will get 1400gph likely due to a higher PSI rating.
Jeremy ( I removed his last name)

Vue Technology
CoralVue, Maxspect & Octopus Aquarium Products
End of Emails

So all my research was for nothing and I was mislead by bad info from their company. I dont know but that sounds like bait and switch tactics. ( not quite the terminology I was looking for but you get the point)
Sorry to OP I really dont want to steal the show. I just dont want anyone to make a bad mistake like I did and waste money and then have a piece of junk a year later. Please look for better Quality and Customer service.

[firsttime]

Ehiem 1262 is a nice pump you could use.

[jamey1010]

Danner MAG-DRIVE 12 and it doubles as a heater for the winter months...

They don't last forever but easily a few years...

[mf2055]

Originally Posted by jamey1010

Danner MAG-DRIVE 12 and it doubles as a heater for the winter months...

They don't last forever but easily a few years...

LOL... never met a mag pump I could get to work for more than a year, have thrown away at least a dozen of them in the time my rio 2100s have been running flawless at 30% of the watts a mag 12 and 33% the price. I suggest buying two for extra flow and run each off a different power circuit for extra security. So, if you use MAG do you unplug your heater in the summer?

[mf2055]

I dealt with coralvue before, I used to sell their products when I owned an LFS a few years back, the guy I dealt with was the absolute worst for customer service out of all my venders by far, constantly changed prices and items after giving quotes, and then would try to double charge insane shipping fees because they screwed up every single order. When I would call with a screwed up order they would act like I was wasting their time and refuse to refund. And nearly every time I called to make an order they would tell me it would be there in X days, I would get the invoice, they would charge my account, and then when the box arived something was missing. "Ohh, that is still on the boat from China. We will send it when it gets in." (but we are keeping your money in the mean time.... if we ever send it... and when we do we will charge you more shipping and handeling... Thanks for being dumb and buying for us)

[iyachtuxivm]

Originally Posted by mf2055

I dealt with coralvue before, I used to sell their products when I owned an LFS a few years back, the guy I dealt with was the absolute worst for customer service out of all my venders by far, constantly changed prices and items after giving quotes, and then would try to double charge insane shipping fees because they screwed up every single order. When I would call with a screwed up order they would act like I was wasting their time and refuse to refund. And nearly every time I called to make an order they would tell me it would be there in X days, I would get the invoice, they would charge my account, and then when the box arived something was missing. "Ohh, that is still on the boat from China. We will send it when it gets in." (but we are keeping your money in the mean time.... if we ever send it... and when we do we will charge you more shipping and handeling... Thanks for being dumb and buying for us)

It seems not much has changed.

[jamey1010]

That's funny because I've had the exact opposite experience, Rio impellers are horrible and I've had at least two Rio 2500's short out in the tank.

One time my tank use to butt up against my stove (lol I know but it was an 8' tank) and had one hand in the tank and the other on the stove that was fun being electrocuted by a Rio 2500

Does your heater run in the summer? Maybe you live up north lol and I paid $75 for the magdrive 12 online.

Even two Rio 2500's wouldn't match the flow @ 5 ft of the mag-drive. Those pumps loose head pressure quickly and have never been good in any type of back pressure.

I ran an AquaC Skimmer for years and went threw a bunch of Rios.

Originally Posted by mf2055

LOL... never met a mag pump I could get to work for more than a year, have thrown away at least a dozen of them in the time my rio 2100s have been running flawless at 30% of the watts a mag 12 and 33% the price. I suggest buying two for extra flow and run each off a different power circuit for extra security. So, if you use MAG do you unplug your heater in the summer?