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i was looking at city-data.com and detroit has a crime rating of over 1000, one in every 2000 people in the city will be shot this year. it's disgusting, this city is the pit of america and really should be wiped off the map. it's unfortunate that so many of us are born and raised in and around detroit and love this area. WHY???????? why is detroit what it is? is it fixable? i dont understand it. other cities have crime and drugs but not like we do. Philadelphia and Chicago dwarf detroit in sheer number of people and detroit in turns has more murders with less people.
 

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I think there are a lot of factors at work here, some are based on perception, some on reality. I would argue that economy is at the heart of it all. The median income in Detroit is $28k, compared to 41k for Chicago, and 32k for Philly (Philly has the lowest overall crime rating on their system). More importantly, 31+% in Detroit are in poverty, compared to 21 in Chicago, and 24 in Philly. Those are important differences.

Also, when you look at Chicago, it’s really got a thriving downtown. People from the suburbs and from the rest of the state are scared to come into Detroit (I know people who won't go to restaurants and stores on Grand River or Northwestern Hwy because these come "straight out of Detroit" and so must be unsafe :rolleyes: ). Without people coming in, there’s little incentive to set up businesses there and little input of money. Look at Home Depot; Kwame had to make a major gamble and guarantee they would break even before they would even consider opening a store in Detroit. Without money, there are no jobs. Without jobs, poor people stay desperate; desperate people commit crimes.
Even though it’s been almost 40 years, I think the race riots still have a lot of people jumpy. The city is seen as a powder keg; it’s ready to go off (again) at any moment and people don’t want to be caught down here when it happens. Sadly, I’m not sure that’s far from the truth.

I think that the idea to revitalize downtown is the right move, but it’s going too slowly. I’m worried that a lot of these new businesses are going to fail before the region has a chance to recover.

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I have to wonder if there is really a middle class population in Detroit. To me it seems there is some high income residential areas, then the majority is low income and run down. I know in Chicago there are more people that live in the city than in Detroit. We have really bad urban sprawl around here, so for all that might work in the city, there is no one living, buying groceries and requiring the middle area of services. When Detroit was thriving, people worked and lived in the city, or at least on the close outskirts. Now people work in the city and live in the country - taking money, voices, votes out of the city. A city full of low income, poverty class residents aren't going to help any "revitalization" in the city. There needs to be a greater middle class population to support positive change and growth. I don't claim to have a firm grasp of these types of economics, so my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.
 

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What else from a city that RE-ELECTs a bully, thief, gangbanger, NO GOOD Mayor.
 
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What else from a city that RE-ELECTs a bully, thief, gangbanger, NO GOOD Mayor.
i'm no fan of kwame but lets be honest, the city was where it's at before he was the mayor. the city will remain where it's at after he's gone.
 

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yeah kwame is a thug, and a theif...and we re-elect him-yes

drew and mike did a phone pole, and called like 30 people, all who are detroit residents...all planned on voting for kwame...and NOT ONE could site one positive thing kwame has done for the city.

I almost fell out of my chair when he tried to take credit for the superbowl, and the lions moving back downtown...THAT WAS ARCHER, AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT!

i hate going down town, i cant walk 5 feet without being approched by someone asking for money for "food", i love it, i have on several ocasions gone in bought a bite to eat for one of them, approach them, and say here you go, hope things work out for you, and they more times than not, dont even want it, and start swearing at me like im being a smartass. ive even had one throw it at me outside of fish bones.
 

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I think that the idea to revitalize downtown is the right move, but it's going too slowly. I'm worried that a lot of these new businesses are going to fail before the region has a chance to recover.
If this Cobo expansion ever happens, it will be huge. It may seem slow, but think about how far downtown has come in the past few years. The new stadiums, the new casinos, the new hotels (other then the casinos), the Hardrock (and its sweet building) and the riverfront housing development. If you look at all the capital investments in attractions that draw people I would bet that it would challenge any other major city (I have no data, it just seems like a heck of a lot of money, mainly yours and mine thanks to Mr.Illich and Mr.Ford).

I don't really care about the rest of the city, I just want continued improvement in the downtown areas. Finish that and the rest will work itself out. And expand the people mover already, its about as useful as the train at the zoo for getting around.
 

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lets not forget roger penski...without him the whole state of Michigan would have been embarrassed when superbowl XL rolled into town.

Until we can knock down all the abandon burnt out building, and doze the crack houses Detroit will never bounce back.
 
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I agree...doze the crack houses...that would help on rapes more then anything..It's a shame they won't.. When kwame was elected he was suppose to demo 3000 houses & did 30......
 

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there are a lot of good points made above. i for one use to love going downtown even before the casino's, but that all changed during the 'King Kwame' elections. when the people of detroit tell the people of the suburbs to stay out of their business because we don't live in the city and shouldn't have a voice on what goes on in the city.. F**K YOU!!!!

the people from the suburbs are the only reason detroit is still on the map and not a ghost town. how many of the detroit residents are eating at the resturants, attending games (hockey, football, baseball), attending events in the city (auto show, plays & musicals at the fox). if they don't want my opinion on how detroit should be run or who should run the city... then you must not want my money either. i use to spend thousands of dollars enteraining clients downtown (hockey games, dinners, casino). now, if my wife and i want to go out to a nice dinner or i am going to enterain clients... i go to troy, rochester or novi/northville where my business is appreciate and welcomed.

as far as i'm concern... until you get the gangster out of office (he's a mini Coleman Young), bulldoze the crack houses and abandone buildings and invest some major money in the city, its going to continue to downward spiral. Chicago is one of my favorite cities and the mayor convinced investors to put over $150 million dollars in the renovation of Navy Pier.

just my $0.02!
 

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Ya can't point the finger at any one person.

Kwame is helping, Penske is helping, Illich is helping, Bing is helping, everybody is trying to help. However, they're doing it to their own benefit. These guys aren't mother Theresa.

The problem is there are a LOT of dumb, lazy, uneducated, and immoral people in Detroit. Just the way it is.

The social programs are corrupt, the government down there is highly corrupt, the school system is corrupt, and top that all off with every family the dad walks out on them.
 
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