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Poseidon said:
I use the PetsMart house brand, Authority for my german shepard mix. She picked it out herself, and I have been very happy with it. She has a BEAUTIFUL coat, shiny and SUPER SOFT. She has been on lamb and rice formula since day one.
who can argue with the dog! :D problem whit mine is she will pick every brand any food is good food if your a lab. :rolleyes: I remember reading in a book on them that there eating is similar to goldfish in they they will eat until they explode. :eek: based on my experience with two of them I would say this is correct. used to feed them in the morning they would wake me up about 8am sharp then daylight savings time made it 7am then they started bumping the time till we got to about 5:30am now I feed them at night! lol
 

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winland said:
I have been breeding, raising and showing Boxers for the past 25+ years.
If you follow these basic rules, you should get a pretty good dog food.

1. First ingredient should be some sort of dead animal. Beef, Lamb, Chicken, etc (not a by-product)
I will not feed any animal by-products to my dog, she deserves better than that. There are parts of an animal that just shouldn't be eaten.
 

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i always looked at just the first ingredient... why is corn bad?

here are the labels of 2 foods at sams.. i use the one with beef as the main ingredient... why is this food bad? comparing them to the meijer brand, the dog chow, etc...

beef n more


another sams brand


i'll have to try purina one or at least compare the labels.
 

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Pet food labels are sooo misleading. Manufacturer's use wording to make their product sound better. They can list an ingredient "twice" in different forms- corn, corn meal- to make it not the number 1 ingredient. "light" and "lite" actually mean different things, etc.... -confused
Here is some info that I got from an Aussie Rescue Group that I am a member of- I have not evulated any of the scores at the bottom for myself- and this was posted about a year before the food recall scandal.
One of the most important things to keep in mind- that there is no ONE best brand of dog food really- one dog could do great on "brand A"- but another could not digest it as well, or not prefer the flavor- but do great on "Brand B". As long as you are starting with a good quality food- the rest is up to the dog. I have fed Iams, Eukanuba, Science Diet and Solid Gold over the last 16 years- and it just depends on the dog.
Of course, now I am further evaluating the companies that make the food and their commitment to quality and their customers.

How to grade your dog's food: (Some brands are done at the very bottom]

Start with a grade of 100:

1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points

2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or
fat) reference, subtract 10 points

3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points

4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source,subtract 5 points

5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five
ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice", "brewer's rice", "rice flour" are
all the same grain), subtract 5 points

6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats
in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points

7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points

8 ) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points

9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points

10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2
points

11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic
to other protein sources), subtract 2 points

12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points

13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to
wheat), subtract 2 points

14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to
beef), subtract 1 point

15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credit:

1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points

2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or
nutritionist, add 5 points

3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points

4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points

5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points

6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points

7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points

8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points

9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points

10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point

11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point

12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than

the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source
but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point

13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point

14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free
add 1 point

94-100+ = A
86-93 = B
78-85 = C
70-77 = D
69 = F

Here are some foods that have already been scored.
Dog Food scores:

Authority Harvest Baked / Score 116 A+
Bil-Jac Select / Score 68 F
Canidae / Score 112 A+
Chicken Soup Senior / Score 115 A+
Diamond Maintenance / Score 64 F
Diamond Lamb Meal & Rice / Score 92 B
Diamond Large Breed 60+ Formula / Score 99 A
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance Ultra Premium / Score 122 A+
Dick Van Patten's Duck and Potato / Score 106 A+
Foundations / Score 106 A+
Hund-n-Flocken Adult Dog (lamb) by Solid Gold / Score 93 B
Iams Lamb Meal & Rice Formula Premium / Score 73 D
Innova Dog / Score 114 A+
Innova Evo / Score 114 A+
Kirkland Signature Chicken, Rice, and Vegetables / Score 110 A+
Nutrisource Lamb and Rice / Score 87 B
Nutro Natural Choice Large Breed Puppy / Score 87 B
Pet Gold Adult with Lamb & Rice / Score 23 F
ProPlan Natural Turkey & Barley / Score 103 A+
Purina Beneful / Score 17 F
Purina Dog / Score 62 F
Purina Come-n-Get It / Score 16 F
Royal Canin Bulldog / Score 100 A+
Royal Canin Natural Blend Adult / Score 106 A+
Sensible Choice Chicken and Rice / Score 97 A
Science Diet Advanced Protein Senior 7+ / Score 63 F
Science Diet for Large Breed Puppies / Score 69 F
Wellness Super5 Mix Chicken / Score 110 A+
Wolfking Adult Dog (bison) by Solid Gold / Score 97 A
 

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Blitz-
I don't know that I would personally say that corn is "BAD"- in certain amounts- but notice they list it twice in the top 4 ingredients. So your food has more CORN than beef I would say.
Honestly it probably does compare with Meijer and Dog Chow.
You get what you pay for.
It does not matter where the food is MANUFACTURED- but where they get the ingredients from and the quality of those ingredients.
 

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Another point- anyone that is feeding a food with glucosamine- that is very misleading too!!! Notice on one of the labels that Blitz posted it says 400ppm. PPM means PARTS PER MILLION. While this certainly will not hurt your dog to feed it-= glucosamine is a great product for dogs- it is just not a therapeutic level and it won't give you noticeable difference like supplementing with a proven product like Cosequin. But alot of people think that they are giving their arthritic dog what it needs- when in fact they are not really getting beneficial levels of glucosamine. And that is sad. :(

Cosequin DS has 500mg of glucosamine in each tablet.

http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/products/animal/cosequin/cosequin_dog_FAQ.asp
 

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49 points lost.... on this food.
0 points gained on this food.

total rating would be..... 51, if i did it right that is.

How to grade your dog's food: (Some brands are done at the very bottom]

Start with a grade of 100:

1) For every listing of "by-product", subtract 10 points

2) For every non-specific animal source ("meat" or "poultry", meat, meal or
fat) reference, subtract 10 points

3) If the food contains BHA, BHT, or ethoxyquin, subtract 10 points

4) For every grain "mill run" or non-specific grain source,subtract 5 points

5) If the same grain ingredient is used 2 or more times in the first five
ingredients (i.e. "ground brown rice", "brewer's rice", "rice flour" are
all the same grain), subtract 5 points

6) If the protein sources are not meat meal and there are less than 2 meats
in the top 3 ingredients, subtract 3 points

7) If it contains any artificial colorants, subtract 3 points

8 ) If it contains ground corn or whole grain corn, subtract 3 points

9) If corn is listed in the top 5 ingredients, subtract 2 more points

10) If the food contains any animal fat other than fish oil, subtract 2
points

11) If lamb is the only animal protein source (unless your dog is allergic
to other protein sources), subtract 2 points

12) If it contains soy or soybeans, subtract 2 points

13) If it contains wheat (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to
wheat), subtract 2 points

14) If it contains beef (unless you know that your dog isn't allergic to
beef), subtract 1 point

15) If it contains salt, subtract 1 point

Extra Credit:

1) If any of the meat sources are organic, add 5 points

2) If the food is endorsed by any major breed group or
nutritionist, add 5 points

3) If the food is baked not extruded, add 5 points

4) If the food contains probiotics, add 3 points

5) If the food contains fruit, add 3 points

6) If the food contains vegetables (NOT corn or other grains), add 3 points

7) If the animal sources are hormone-free and antibiotic-free, add 2 points

8 ) If the food contains barley, add 2 points

9) If the food contains flax seed oil (not just the seeds), add 2 points

10) If the food contains oats or oatmeal, add 1 point

11) If the food contains sunflower oil, add 1 point

12) For every different specific animal protein source (other than

the first one; count "chicken" and "chicken meal" as only one protein source
but "chicken" and "" as 2 different sources), add 1 point

13) If it contains glucosamine and chondroitin, add 1 point

14) If the vegetables have been tested for pesticides and are pesticide-free
add 1 point

94-100+ = A
86-93 = B
78-85 = C
70-77 = D
69 = F
 

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Okay, I have been poking around, and found a food made by "Flint River Ranch", and get this, they are based in NORTH CAROLINA!!!! With a name like that, and living within a mile of THE Flint River, I had to see where/what this is made out of- I was thinking it would be made of old decomposing tires, sewage, fertilizers, and who know what else that was dumped into the river by GM! Actually it turns out that it is a real high quality food, with an unfortunate name!

It seems you would want to research a river before naming your product after it!
 

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There are alot of opinions about what to feed your dog. One of the best things to do is ask your vet. After the recent dog food recall- some of our clients started feeding their pets a raw diet- yes, raw chicken with bones! And while some people swear by the Bones And Raw Food (BARF) diet- you need to feed more than just raw meat, there are other dietary requirements- and even then it is not for every pet.
Personally, right now, I am feeding Science Diet. I had my dogs on Solid Gold until I had a foster dog that was on Science Diet- and then my picky Aussie was scarfing down the foster dogs food- they made it pretty clear what they preferred.
Science Diet does not score in the top on the info that I posted- but there is a lot of experience behind the brand and the dogs are doing well- and they in the end are what matters.
Bottom line- there are alot of opinions- there is science- but there is no ONE right answer. But as a general rule- you get what you pay for.
Another pet peeve of mine is artificial colors in dog food. I worked at the Humane Society years ago- and saw alot of dogs pass what I call "Alpo" poop- disgusting, red, mushy poop that looks alot like what the dog was fed in the first place. All of the fancy colored kibbles in dog food and cat food- the colors are for the HUMANS that buy them- not the color-blind dogs.
 

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Our 4 year old Australian Cattle Dog gets Purina One.
 

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CK1 said:
Here is some info that I got from an Aussie Rescue Group that I am a member of-
Our Cattle dog came from the rescue society of Mi.

Third one from this breed that we've had. All have been great dogs.

Soory for hyjacking thread, just had to mention it, don't see alot of Aussies.
 
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