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Discussion starter · #62 ·
allendavant said:
SO are you talking about a Marineland Stealth Heater? If you are you are going to want to get a new heater. They have been recalled by Marineland. If you bought it new I think Marineland will refund your money. If not, throw it away. They have been frying peoples tanks! Either that or they just stop working.

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The heaters have been redesigned since this recall. They still hold the marineland stealth name though. Im pretty sure its illegal for retail stores to sell recalled products.
 
#63 ·
Wow, I'd get A/C!...or, try the options I'm listing after the quote below first. I've bought a couple good window A/C units from craigslist for $50. At least have one cooling the room where the tank is. It'll be much more comfortable for you and the tank will be ok also. Get a chiller if you want to but you can kill two birds with one stone at a fraction of the price with a window A/C unit.

katymunoz said:
There is no maybe involved. If your house temps are reaching high 80's and above, how in the world can your 30 some gallon tank be able to be at 82-84 degrees without a chiller? It's logistically impossible. This Isnt rocket science, it's common sense.

With a lid off and a fan, he might have a tank sitting at 90 degrees instead of 93...... Either one of those is too high! So why bother having him waste his time with adding fans and crap? While it's wishful thinking, it's not going to work.
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Whoa now. He said his house temperature was 78 so it's not unreasonable to think that he might be able to maintain the tanks temperature at 84. You can keep a house reasonably cool by opening the windows to cool down at night as long as the insulation is good and the house is sealed up well. Blowing air up from a basement helps a great deal if you have one. None of us knew what measures he can take to keep the house cool so it's unwise to assume that a chiller is the only option. Why not take a second to think of every option and see if they work first?
 
#66 ·
yes it does, the bacteria you are trying to grow is temp sensitive like any other living creature. To hot or too cold and it will fail to thrive. The ideal temp lies between 77-86 degrees F. Of course rapid temp changes are also going to effect the rate of bacterial development.
Jen
 
Discussion starter · #67 ·
My tank has been running for a week now. I haven't done a test yet. So its possible, with my tank reaching temps of 90 degrees that my tank is going haywire and cycling not effectively? My live could now be dead?
 
#68 ·
I'm not sure to what degree or how hot it has to be to have negative effects. I wouldn't worry about the bacteria so much because they're easily replaceable if they do die. I'd be more concerned with other "life in the rock and sand like worms, pods, etc. because they take much more time to increase in numbers. At this point, take the necessary steps to get the tank down to the proper temperature range as soon as you can manage to do it. Then, focus on letting your tank mature, performing tests, performing maintenance, etc. until it's time to start slowly adding animals. One step at a time.
 
#69 ·
90 wont kill off the bacteria but you may lose somethings if you used live rock. You will continue to cycle even with the high temps. You will need to stabilize the temp before it can truly complete though.

Jen
 
#71 · (Edited)
E-quality said:
Wow, I'd get A/C!...or, try the options I'm listing after the quote below first. I've bought a couple good window A/C units from craigslist for $50. At least have one cooling the room where the tank is. It'll be much more comfortable for you and the tank will be ok also. Get a chiller if you want to but you can kill two birds with one stone at a fraction of the price with a window A/C unit.

Whoa now. He said his house temperature was 78 so it's not unreasonable to think that he might be able to maintain the tanks temperature at 84. You can keep a house reasonably cool by opening the windows to cool down at night as long as the insulation is good and the house is sealed up well. Blowing air up from a basement helps a great deal if you have one. None of us knew what measures he can take to keep the house cool so it's unwise to assume that a chiller is the only option. Why not take a second to think of every option and see if they work first?
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I said the exact same thing about the window ac unit in a prior post. You must have not read the whole thread.

You obviously also didn't read the part about him not having a basement.

So maybe you need to go back and read what he's working with, because it has already been established previously in this thread.
 
#73 ·
I realized you recommended a window A/C unit at one point and it was a good recommendation. I also realized the following after that recommendation.

katymunoz said:
There is no maybe involved. If your house temps are reaching high 80's and above, how in the world can your 30 some gallon tank be able to be at 82-84 degrees without a chiller? It's logistically impossible. This Isnt rocket science, it's common sense.

Id post in the Want to buy section to see if you can get a used chiller.
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I actually read the part about him not having a basement but didn't remember it, especially with how distracting this thread has gotten-like now.

I think it's best we not continue this because it's really pointless and serves no purpose but to distract from Babby's issues.
 
Discussion starter · #74 ·
Well still no chiller. With the cooler days lately I've been holding 80. Now my tank has been going for 11 days. I haven't tested yet for a complete cycle. I've kind of just turned light off and let sit due to the temp problem. I also don't have anything to test ammonia yet. Plan to get a master test kit tomorrow for saltwater.

Well....a buddy of mine who manages a local pet store which doesn't stock or carry anything from saltwater fish or supplies, ordered me a clown fish off the simple thought I was setting up a saltwater tank. It came in there friday. They had no place for it being as they only stock freshwater fish. So I have it now. Its been in my tank since friday at 3pm. He's alive and active. I feel bad for him because I don't know how this outcome will be with my tank getting so warm. I also don't know exactly where my cycle is being as I don't have anything to test ammonia.

Should I put him in someone elses tank until I get my tank straightened out as far as temp and cycle completion? He's been in there 50+ hrs.
 
#76 ·
That'd be a good idea instead of hoping for the best for the clown. It needs a stable environment and you don't know if your tank can provide that. Get some test kits! Are you doing water changes? If not, do some to remove anything dying off, including toxins. Are you getting a chiller or window A/C unit to keep the temperature down on hot days? Water testing/changes and having a means of cooling the tank are priority number one and two right now...assuming the clown isn't in your tank. If not, it needs to be. You can even set up a little quarantine tank if you can't find someone to babysit the fish. Let us know if you need help setting one up.
 
#77 ·
You definitely need to get the fish out. I don't know what fish store just randomly orders people fish for uncycled tanks, but I'd get a new fish store too if that really is the case.....

While it can be tempting to keep the fish in just because he seems fine now, things can change very quickly. If that fish dies in your tank, it could cause another cycle in your tank, taking up to ANOTHER 6 weeks to be ready for fish again, even if you get the temperatures addressed. So don't let impatience take over, because it could end up making you have to wait a lot longer In the end.
 
Discussion starter · #78 ·
Thanks. Yeah I don't want to kill this beautiful fish. I will get ahold of a local member and see if he can care for it.

On a good note, ordered a Coralife Chiller 1/10 hp today. Costly, but I'm too deep now to stop. Should be here in a few weeks. Also got an API Saltwater Master Kit.
 
Discussion starter · #80 ·
katymunoz said:
A few weeks?!?!! Where did you order it from Bangladesh?! Lol
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Ha. My buddy special ordered me one. Being as the store he works at doesnt stock anything for saltwater, not only does he have to special order it in, but the warehouse he recieves from has to special order it in as well. They told him a few weeks because its coming straight from coralife. I'm in no rush really and its 20% off what they are paying for it so its a deal. With it being so expensive, I'll save anyway I can.
 
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